Comments on: You Won’t Like Marv When He’s Angry http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/ an editorial Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:07:41 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Brenda Niemeyer http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/#comment-110 Brenda Niemeyer Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:10 +0000 http://cipsports.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-110 ...he actually was seriously considered. although as more of an accessory than the actual murderer. he was literally facing murder charges up until the moment he entered into the plea deal. have you ever taken law courses? i have. and it's called wanting the bigger guy(s). it happens all the time. such a low percentage of cases actually ever go to trial. ludicrous? definitely. he got away easy. and you're right, it is unfortunate; however, he shouldn't have lied to the police when questioned, he probably shouldn't have hit one of the victims in front of witnesses, and he shouldn't have scared everyone into keeping their mouths shut. perhaps then his "involvement" could have been overlooked. of course, he remains the only person who admitted and was convicted of any involvement. he even bought out the victims' families. yeah. he's innocent. it still happened, whether it was a decade ago or not. it sucks to say, but in case you didn't know it's a precedent that most NFL players will be held to. it was brought up when Mike Vick was going through his ordeal, and it'll continue to get brought up even after he retires. sure there are other examples, but Lewis' debacle was not only a big deal at the time (largest fine ever in the NFL, for starters), it was pretty much out of the ordinary (not everyday the Super Bowl MVP is wrapped up in a double-murder). not to mention, it was a little more serious than just a fight in a bar, as is Marvin's debacle (heeellllooo---he allegedly shot someone AND there were innocent bystanders hurt. one of which was a child). and i do believe that unlike Ravens fans, football fans bring up the same types of questions and generally have the similar views regarding Ray Ray as i did/do. so perhaps you should take a step back and realize how biased you're in fact being. …he actually was seriously considered. although as more of an accessory than the actual murderer. he was literally facing murder charges up until the moment he entered into the plea deal. have you ever taken law courses? i have. and it’s called wanting the bigger guy(s). it happens all the time. such a low percentage of cases actually ever go to trial. ludicrous? definitely. he got away easy. and you’re right, it is unfortunate; however, he shouldn’t have lied to the police when questioned, he probably shouldn’t have hit one of the victims in front of witnesses, and he shouldn’t have scared everyone into keeping their mouths shut. perhaps then his “involvement” could have been overlooked. of course, he remains the only person who admitted and was convicted of any involvement. he even bought out the victims’ families. yeah. he’s innocent.

it still happened, whether it was a decade ago or not. it sucks to say, but in case you didn’t know it’s a precedent that most NFL players will be held to. it was brought up when Mike Vick was going through his ordeal, and it’ll continue to get brought up even after he retires. sure there are other examples, but Lewis’ debacle was not only a big deal at the time (largest fine ever in the NFL, for starters), it was pretty much out of the ordinary (not everyday the Super Bowl MVP is wrapped up in a double-murder). not to mention, it was a little more serious than just a fight in a bar, as is Marvin’s debacle (heeellllooo—he allegedly shot someone AND there were innocent bystanders hurt. one of which was a child). and i do believe that unlike Ravens fans, football fans bring up the same types of questions and generally have the similar views regarding Ray Ray as i did/do. so perhaps you should take a step back and realize how biased you’re in fact being.

]]> By: Tyson http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/#comment-109 Tyson Wed, 14 May 2008 04:19:42 +0000 http://cipsports.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-109 i believe your biases are to blame more than anything. Ray Lewis was at the scene of the crime but he was never found guilty of murder or even seriously considered. His name was only tossed around because of his huge name. There was hardly any evidence that could have been used to link him to the crime. I don't understand the obsession with linking his name in with the murder charges when it was Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting who were the ones that the evidence pointed to. Ray Lewis made a mistake by trying to defend his friends as a reaction to the whole situation which ended up dragging his name through the mud in the first place. How can anyone seriously say that a plea bargain was struck so that the charges went from 1st degree murder and aggravated assault charges to a 12 month probation period? That would be ludicrous for our court system to make that offer if Ray Lewis was seriously in contention to be convicted for murder. No one said that he sat back and watched it. Ray admitted himself that he got involved in an attempt to stop the fight from escalating. It's unfortunate that he is associated with a murder that evolved from a fight that he didn't even want to participate in. Besides, there are far better examples then bringing up something that happened almost a decade ago. Take a look at half of the Bengals roster. Or maybe Nick Barnett and his dirty habit of beating up random women at bars. i believe your biases are to blame more than anything. Ray Lewis was at the scene of the crime but he was never found guilty of murder or even seriously considered. His name was only tossed around because of his huge name. There was hardly any evidence that could have been used to link him to the crime. I don’t understand the obsession with linking his name in with the murder charges when it was Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting who were the ones that the evidence pointed to. Ray Lewis made a mistake by trying to defend his friends as a reaction to the whole situation which ended up dragging his name through the mud in the first place. How can anyone seriously say that a plea bargain was struck so that the charges went from 1st degree murder and aggravated assault charges to a 12 month probation period? That would be ludicrous for our court system to make that offer if Ray Lewis was seriously in contention to be convicted for murder. No one said that he sat back and watched it. Ray admitted himself that he got involved in an attempt to stop the fight from escalating. It’s unfortunate that he is associated with a murder that evolved from a fight that he didn’t even want to participate in.

Besides, there are far better examples then bringing up something that happened almost a decade ago. Take a look at half of the Bengals roster. Or maybe Nick Barnett and his dirty habit of beating up random women at bars.

]]> By: Brenda Niemeyer http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/#comment-103 Brenda Niemeyer Fri, 09 May 2008 20:19:46 +0000 http://cipsports.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-103 oh Tyson. Lewis entered into a plea deal of obstruction of justice (withheld info under oath, and he told people who were being questioned not say anything) to get the murder charges dropped. obviously, there was enough evidence against him that he needed to enter into said deal. not to mention, the prosecution wanted his homeboy behind bars more than him. i hardly doubt he just sat back and watched the knife fight break out and did nothing (especially since a family member was involved, i do believe). oh Tyson. Lewis entered into a plea deal of obstruction of justice (withheld info under oath, and he told people who were being questioned not say anything) to get the murder charges dropped. obviously, there was enough evidence against him that he needed to enter into said deal. not to mention, the prosecution wanted his homeboy behind bars more than him. i hardly doubt he just sat back and watched the knife fight break out and did nothing (especially since a family member was involved, i do believe).

]]> By: Ryan http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/#comment-93 Ryan Thu, 08 May 2008 21:03:46 +0000 http://cipsports.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-93 Yea, maybe some of the Pacer's rubbed off on him when he was in Indy. Yea, maybe some of the Pacer’s rubbed off on him when he was in Indy.

]]> By: Tyson http://cipsports.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/you-wont-like-marv-when-hes-angry/#comment-92 Tyson Thu, 08 May 2008 20:31:16 +0000 http://cipsports.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-92 Hey hey, no need to bring Ray Ray into this mess. His only crime was lying under oath, nothing else involved. Rod Carruth may be a better example... Hey hey, no need to bring Ray Ray into this mess. His only crime was lying under oath, nothing else involved. Rod Carruth may be a better example…

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